Dave Ramsey nails it!

We can't escape the math of Obamacare.

If we really wanted to do something that MIGHT have worked, establishing walk in clinics at the state level to handle those who have no insurance would have kept them out of the emergency rooms saving us billions of dollars.

Let the rest of us shop for our insurance across state lines.

Keep the feds out of it cause they just add to the cost and bureaucracy.

http://poorrichardsnews.com/post/63737924453/video-dave-ramsey-lays-out-the-facts-of-obamacare-for

A Conversation on Health Care

This has of course been an ongoing discussion (okay argument) about health care reform, especially in regards to any government option.

So today I posted this question:

Un-Constitutional

No where in the Constitution does the Federal Government have the right to force me to buy anything. Period. Until you libs acknowledge that fact, we can't have a logical discussion.

By Joyce M/Blythe

I actually got back an answer:

rejoyce
it doesnt
By snarkybird

So began Em's Health Care Plan:

Amazing!

rejoyce
it doesnt
By snarkybird

So, now that we agree I don't have to buy insurance AT ALL, we can talk about how to make it affordable enough that I would WANT to.

Tort Reform - not only would that lower doctors and hospitals operating costs, it would eliminate the $152 billion in defensive testing.

On so-called rationing, make it where the doctor AND the insurance company decide if you qualify for a procedure, NOT just the insurance company. That way they can't turn you down flat for let's say a pacemaker just because you are 80. If the doctor says yes she's 80 but she's otherwise a very active healthy 80 so give it to her.

Policy al-a-carte. I do not need to pay for maternity trust me.

Establish a pool for people who are disqualified due to pre-existing conditions or temporarily unemployed. Most policies will accept pre-existing conditions after two years, then that person can move out of the pool onto their own policy. Same when someone does get a job, give them a 3 month period to find their own insurance and get their bills caught up.

Permanently disabled? Medicare/medicaid.

Lots of ideas we can utilize. Government would only complicate and make it more expensive. They are not a legitimate "competitor".

Em's Town Hall Discussion #2 - Co-op Plan

This ought to be very short. And unfortunately, uninformative, as I have yet to find any real details. They are being very closed mouthed about what is in this plan draft and will not be rushed. Well the not being rushed is refreshing coming from Washington, but I'm afraid it's just a smoke screen.

Michael Cannon, of the Cato Institute, talked about the co-op plan on Glenn Beck. What was interesting was his description of the "management" of a co-op. It is run by the members. Well on day one, there are no members yet. SO the government will step in to run it. I think we all know, that once government sticks their nose in, it's hard to get it out.

Cato Article

Senator Kent Conrad was speaking on behalf of the "Gang of Six" assigned to come up with a non-partisan option for health care, hence the Co-op option. But no details?!!

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/sen.-conrad-public-option-a-wasted-effort-2009-08-16.html

So our discussion could only be: how do you think this would work?

Personally I think it's a back door effort of government control. Or more likely, a smoke screen to keep us focusing on too many items to get a clear picture.

As the Judge says: what say you?

Em's Town Hall Discussion #1

Today (Saturday) we will cover the proposal listed below. I have posted the links below, they will open in a new tab or window. Have also inserted the Short Summary Text but the others are a bit long to post here. Not as long as the House Bill! PLEASE feel free to post questions or comments. If I or any one else here can't answer your question we'll see if we can't find someone who can.

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H.R. 2520 Patients Choice Act (authored by Rep. Paul Ryan (R) of Wisconsin)

Short Summary

Patients’ Choice Act
May 2009
The Patients’ Choice Act transforms health care in America: strengthening the relationship between the patient and the doctor; using the forces of choice and competition rather than rationing and restrictions to contain costs; and ensuring universal, affordable health care for all Americans.

Preventing Disease and Promoting Healthier Lifestyles
Each year, five chronic diseases (heart disease, cancer, stroke, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, and diabetes) cause two‐thirds of American deaths; treatment of these largely preventable diseases makes up 75 percent of total health care expenditures. Critical investments in public health and disease prevention will go a long way in restraining health care costs and improving the quality of Americans’ lives. The Patient’s Choice Act of 2009 would:

• Encourage increased coordination of federal prevention efforts and bring long‐overdue accountability to these programs
• Require CDC to undertake a national campaign highlighting science‐based health promotion strategies

• Equip recipients of Supplemental Nutritional Benefits with easily understandable information about nutritious food options and target the use of food stamps to healthy food choices
• Invest $50 million annually for increased vaccine availability and bonus grants to states that achieve 90 percent or greater coverage of CDC‐recommended vaccines
• Provide incentives for states to reduce rates of chronic disease like heart disease and diabetes

Creating Affordable and Accessible Health Insurance Options
Our health care system should be easier to navigate and provide integrated care in a more equitable manner. A vibrant market for health insurance that is consistent and fair will allow all Americans access to health coverage. The Patient’s Choice Act of 2009 would encourage states to establish rational and reasonable consumer protections, including the following:

• Creates State Health Insurance Exchanges to give Americans a one‐stop marketplace to compare different health insurance policies and select the one that meets their unique needs
• Gives Americans the same standard health benefits as Members of Congress, so all Americans have a wide range of choices
• Protects the most vulnerable Americans to ensure that no individual would be turned down by a participating Exchange insurers based on age or health
• Creates a non‐profit, independent board to risk adjust among participating insurance companies to penalize companies that “cherry pick” health patients and reward insurers that encourage prevention/wellness and cover patients with pre‐existing conditions
• Helps States expand coverage through auto‐enrollment at state and medical points of service, for individuals who do not select a plan at the beginning of the year
• Gives states the ability to band together in regional pooling arrangements, as well as the creation of robust high risk pools, reinsurance markets, or risk adjustment mechanisms to cover those deemed ‘uninsurable’

Equalizes the Tax Treatment of Health Care, Empowering All Americans with Real Access to Coverage
Economic analysts across the political divide agree that the tax code is stacked in favor of the wealthy and those who get their health coverage through their employers, discriminating against the self‐employed, the unemployed, and small businesses. The Patients’ Choice Act of 2009 would restore fairness in the tax code and give every American, regardless of employment status, the ability to purchase health insurance by:

• Providing an advanceable and refundable tax credit of $2,300 per individual or $5,700 per family

• Improving the operation of Health Savings Accounts [HSAs] by allowing health insurance premiums to be paid with HSAs without a tax penalty
• Allowing preventative services to be covered by High Deductible Health Plans
• Increasing the amount of money an HSA owner may annually contribute to their account

Modernizing the Medicaid Benefit and Protecting Medicare Beneficiary Choice
The health security for low‐income families and American seniors is threatened by the outdated formulas and exploding costs of Medicaid and Medicare. These vital programs require significant reforms to better balance value for those beneficiaries in greatest need and protection for U.S. taxpayers. The Patients’ Choice Act would make important improvements to both programs without limiting eligibility or benefits by:

• Integrating low‐income families with dependent children into higher‐quality private plans through direct assistance
• Removing the stigma of Medicaid and providing access to the same coverage options available to all Americans
• Realigning responsibility between federal and state governments in order to better coordinate benefits by requiring the Medicare program to assume Medicaid responsibility of premiums, cost‐sharing, and deductibles for low‐income seniors
• Rebalancing long‐term care services to ensure choice between institutionalized and home‐based care
• Empowering Medicare beneficiaries with more choices and more power by reforming Medicare Advantage
• Allowing for the creation of Medicare Accountable Care Organizations that would improve payment to physicians, hospitals, pharmacists, and nurses for demonstrable improvements in quality and patient satisfaction while reducing costs
• Requiring wealthy Medicare beneficiaries to contribute a little more for their care under Medicare Part D

Ensuring Compensation for Injured Patients
Our current legal system does a poor job at compensating patients for medical mistakes in a fair and efficient manner. Instead of nurturing an environment where medical professionals can openly learn from their mistakes, our legal system often forces doctors and patients into contentious courtroom disputes. The Patients’ Choice Act would reform this broken system that helps drive health care costs out of control by:

• Encouraging states to adopt a number of legal alternatives entirely run by the state that would include the establishment of expert medical panels to resolve disputes, creation of health courts, or a combination of both

Establishing Transparency in Health Care Price and Quality
For a vibrant health care market to function properly, patients must know what services cost and who provides the best service. Uniform and reliable measures of reporting quality and price information should be designed by the stakeholders in health care rather than the heavy‐hand of government. The Patients’ Choice Act would bring this much needed transparency into the health care market by:

• Creating a Healthcare Services Commission that relies on a public/private partnership to enhance the quality, appropriateness and effectiveness of health care services through the publication and enforcement of quality and price information
• Empowering the private sector – rather than Washington bureaucrats – to set standards on price and quality with the input from all major stakeholders in health care, as well as the general public
• Ensuring that measures of effectiveness keep pace with innovation

Long Summary

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